Who would win in a 7 game series right now, rosters as is
Lakers
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Clippers
16%
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:46 am Post subject:
I think an underrated loss for clippers was losing gilgeous-alexander. They don't really have a point guard on offense. I'm curious to how they are going to run their offense and where the ball movement will be generated from.
it's pretty close but power can shift if Shamet or Kuz take that next step. If Shamet turns into klay 2.0 like all the Clippers fan base (all 20 of them) expect him to then we're toast.
We did a great job bringing in shooting but we could and should have targeted a couple high end wing defenders-- RHJ and Stanley. Would have loved to see those 2 finding mins at the bench.
Which is why that Iggy is such a sewing piece. If we get him, we're set. if Clippers get him, we're down a guy who can combat KL/PG.
Zubac/Harrell
J.Green/Harkless
Kawhi/McGruder
PG13/Shamet
Beverly/Lou Will
Solid 10 man team that will be well coached. I don't see them having an anser for Boogie/AD though. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:17 pm Post subject:
Would the Clippers have been able to re-sign Tobias Harris if they hadn't traded him? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:42 am Post subject:
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We did a great job bringing in shooting but we could and should have targeted a couple high end wing defenders-- RHJ and Stanley. Would have loved to see those 2 finding mins at the bench.
Which is why that Iggy is such a sewing piece. If we get him, we're set. if Clippers get him, we're down a guy who can combat KL/PG.
Pelinka had to cater to AD's dislike of playing center so that's basically at least one roster spot wasted right there. Then there's the Keep Rich Paul Happy tax they had to pay on KCP's ridiculous deal, and another wasted spot. If AD gives a verbal commitment to stay beyond this season, or even strongly hints at it I think this roster would look a lot different right now.
We did a great job bringing in shooting but we could and should have targeted a couple high end wing defenders-- RHJ and Stanley. Would have loved to see those 2 finding mins at the bench.
Which is why that Iggy is such a sewing piece. If we get him, we're set. if Clippers get him, we're down a guy who can combat KL/PG.
Pelinka had to cater to AD's dislike of playing center so that's basically at least one roster spot wasted right there. Then there's the Keep Rich Paul Happy tax they had to pay on KCP's ridiculous deal, and another wasted spot. If AD gives a verbal commitment to stay beyond this season, or even strongly hints at it I think this roster would look a lot different right now.
I'm actually fine with having a nominal starting center to take the brunt against bruising centers for two shifts (start of 1st/3rd Qs).
AD will close as a "center" IMO.
KCP. I have nothing else to say. Just hoping he can turn into a 3/D guy he was advertised as being. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
We did a great job bringing in shooting but we could and should have targeted a couple high end wing defenders-- RHJ and Stanley. Would have loved to see those 2 finding mins at the bench.
Which is why that Iggy is such a sewing piece. If we get him, we're set. if Clippers get him, we're down a guy who can combat KL/PG.
Pelinka had to cater to AD's dislike of playing center so that's basically at least one roster spot wasted right there. Then there's the Keep Rich Paul Happy tax they had to pay on KCP's ridiculous deal, and another wasted spot. If AD gives a verbal commitment to stay beyond this season, or even strongly hints at it I think this roster would look a lot different right now.
Why wouldn't you play AD at the position he wants and get him a center if you want him to stay? Why would AD commit, if you didn't play him where he wants or he didn't like the roster? The roster would look the same. _________________ Previously LBJ23
They all have chemistry together. McGee/Kuzma/KCP started a combined 153 games last year. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers" _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
Why do people so focus on the assist number of their pg? Fisher was once our starting point guard and we still won championship.
Oh, I don't know, probably because the the players leading in assists are typical the better player?
Magic, Nash, Stockton, LeBron, Westbrook, Kidd, Payton, Thomas, the all stacked up the assist and played on pretty good teams.
I'm sure if you look REAL HARD, you will find a guy or two who played on crappy teams that lead the NBA in assists, but it is the EXCEPTION and not the RULE...! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
Last edited by unleasHell on Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:48 am Post subject:
unleasHell wrote:
There are two confusing aspects for the Clippers:
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I don't agree that assists are the least valuable stat for a PG. But setting that aside, this is a fair point as SGA only averaged 3.3 assists a game last year. However, I would argue that Bradley's assist numbers are just as if not more inconsequential to the Laker's success seeing as how he plays alongside Lebron James.
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:07 pm Post subject:
Pureshot77 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
unleasHell wrote:
There are two confusing aspects for the Clippers:
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I don't agree that assists are the least valuable stat for a PG. But setting that aside, this is a fair point as SGA only averaged 3.3 assists a game last year. However, I would argue that Bradley's assist numbers are just as if not more inconsequential to the Laker's success seeing as how he plays alongside Lebron James.
Exactly my point in posting that. Beverly’s assists won’t matter playing with Kawhi and George, both players will distribute the ball. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I don't agree that assists are the least valuable stat for a PG. But setting that aside, this is a fair point as SGA only averaged 3.3 assists a game last year. However, I would argue that Bradley's assist numbers are just as if not more inconsequential to the Laker's success seeing as how he plays alongside Lebron James.
Exactly my point in posting that. Beverly’s assists won’t matter playing with Kawhi and George, both players will distribute the ball.
James is subjectively a better play maker than them both.
Why do people so focus on the assist number of their pg? Fisher was once our starting point guard and we still won championship.
We ran the triangle which didn't require a traditional PG. Kobe was the orchestrator of the offense and was a better passer than Kawhi and PG. But I agree that the PG position isn't as important when you have KL/PG.
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:59 pm Post subject:
Pureshot77 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Pureshot77 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
unleasHell wrote:
There are two confusing aspects for the Clippers:
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I don't agree that assists are the least valuable stat for a PG. But setting that aside, this is a fair point as SGA only averaged 3.3 assists a game last year. However, I would argue that Bradley's assist numbers are just as if not more inconsequential to the Laker's success seeing as how he plays alongside Lebron James.
Exactly my point in posting that. Beverly’s assists won’t matter playing with Kawhi and George, both players will distribute the ball.
James is subjectively a better play maker than them both.
Significantly better.. That's one of Kawhi's biggest weaknesses imo.
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I think the Lakers PG will have the most assists (LeBron that is)..
And when Bradley was on the Griz, was he the back up PG? As Conley was their starting PG, it makes sense for a backup PG to not rack up big numbers of assists...
Who do you think will lead the Clippers in assists next season? _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I don't agree that assists are the least valuable stat for a PG. But setting that aside, this is a fair point as SGA only averaged 3.3 assists a game last year. However, I would argue that Bradley's assist numbers are just as if not more inconsequential to the Laker's success seeing as how he plays alongside Lebron James.
Exactly my point in posting that. Beverly’s assists won’t matter playing with Kawhi and George, both players will distribute the ball.
The same Kawhi & George that have career assists totals of 2.4 & 3.3 ?
Oh yeah, Clippers should be just fine.... (lol) _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:28 pm Post subject:
Pureshot77 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Pureshot77 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
unleasHell wrote:
There are two confusing aspects for the Clippers:
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I don't agree that assists are the least valuable stat for a PG. But setting that aside, this is a fair point as SGA only averaged 3.3 assists a game last year. However, I would argue that Bradley's assist numbers are just as if not more inconsequential to the Laker's success seeing as how he plays alongside Lebron James.
Exactly my point in posting that. Beverly’s assists won’t matter playing with Kawhi and George, both players will distribute the ball.
James is subjectively a better play maker than them both.
Maybe he is but that has nothing to do with the discussion. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
First, Patrick Beverly is listed as their starting PG, his career APG is 3.5, kinda low don't ya think? and who is their back-up PG?
Next, is their staring Center, our own beloved Zubac, with only 3 years of experience, still VERY mistake-prone and posting career scoring numbers of 6.4ppg and rebounding at 4.6rpg, he will get eaten up and be in foul trouble against every decent center in the NBA!
Blue Oyster Cult should remake their old hit, changing the title to: "Don't Fear the Clippers"
Assists are the least valuable of all counting stats. How many do you think that Bradley will get starting for the Lakers?
I don't agree that assists are the least valuable stat for a PG. But setting that aside, this is a fair point as SGA only averaged 3.3 assists a game last year. However, I would argue that Bradley's assist numbers are just as if not more inconsequential to the Laker's success seeing as how he plays alongside Lebron James.
Exactly my point in posting that. Beverly’s assists won’t matter playing with Kawhi and George, both players will distribute the ball.
James is subjectively a better play maker than them both.
Maybe he is but that has nothing to do with the discussion.
The original discussion was about the Clippers PG position, I'm just reacting to you bringing Avery Bradley (Lakers) into the discussion.
Why do people so focus on the assist number of their pg? Fisher was once our starting point guard and we still won championship.
Oh, I don't know, probably because the the players leading in assists are typical the better player?
Magic, Nash, Stockton, LeBron, Westbrook, Kidd, Payton, Thomas, the all stacked up the assist and played on pretty good teams.
I'm sure if you look REAL HARD, you will find a guy or two who played on crappy teams that lead the NBA in assists, but it is the EXCEPTION and not the RULE...!
Umm.. not sure what you are talking about.. I’m not saying Beverley is a good point guard. I’m trying to point out that not having a traditional point guard isn’t a major concern for the Clippers because it would be Leonard or George setting the offense.
Would the Clippers have been able to re-sign Tobias Harris if they hadn't traded him?
Hard to say. That's alot of dominos to undo. They might've barely had space to retain Harris, but their depth would now look different and they might not have had enough assets to trade for P.George. I think if you undo the Harris trade, LAC cap space would've been something like $34.82m before the Leonard signing and George trade. Leonard cost $32.74m.
But they then wouldn't have had the cap space to absorb Harkless' contract, which was how they got one of the 1st's they traded for George. And one of the other 1st's they traded for George was one they got from PHI directly in the Harris trade. Those picks (originally from Miami) are worth more than the LAC picks they traded.
Even if OKC had eventually settled for much fewer assets for George, LAC's current rotation would look different (no Harkless, no Shamet, no Zubac). They wouldn't have had Muscala to trade for Zubac if not for the Harris trade. Though maybe LAL would've given them Zubac for some other flotsam
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