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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: Oden vs. Durant |
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Nbadraft article
http://nbadraft.net/prevenas077.asp
Quote: | The two most overused draft nouns are "upside" and "ceiling." Scouts spend their professional lives trying to determine how great a prospect can potentially be.
What many scouts fail to realize is that only 15-20 percent of these prospects actually hit their ceilings. Players like Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett fulfilled expectations and are playing at their ideal projected level.
Others like Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Gilbert Arenas, Shawn Marion and Carlos Boozer have burst through their ceilings and achieved a level few expected when they were drafted.
Young studs like LeBron James and Dwight Howard appear on track to hit their ceilings. Role players like Shane Battier can be considered ceiling-worthy, because they are performing to their projected abilities. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Durant looks crazy good so far today.
If I had to pick though, I'd still take Oden. But I certainly wouldn't begrudge someone for taking Durant. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Durant's on fire today, but I thought the article made a good point.
The elite wings with size and crazy athletic ability with the player comparisons, don't have rings.
The guys that Oden has been compared to, have multiple.
Ideally, you strip an entire team to have them both on the same team. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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You just can't underestimate the value of a center with Oden's size and ability. That's why I'd take him if it were up to me.
On the other hand, Durant is *so* long and has such a great offensive arsenal.
This may be one of those cases where #2 is almost better in a way. Can't miss. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Not impressed with Durant so far. He won't get those type of shots in the pros. And when you force him to put it on the floor, he has trouble. Definitely wouldn't take him over Oden. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Durant sprains ankle... |
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Actually both ankles.
Not sure if I've seen two ankle injuries on one play before... |
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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ProjectAB wrote: | Not impressed with Durant so far. He won't get those type of shots in the pros. And when you force him to put it on the floor, he has trouble. Definitely wouldn't take him over Oden. |
How so? It's not any different from Ridnour setting up Rashard or Harris/Terry setting up Dirk. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, not sure what you're watching...
The guy is effortlessly scoring at will. Back to the basket, spot up J's, NBA range 3 pointers, drives to the basket. Ridiculous length...
I'd guess he can score 20ppg in his first NBA season if he wound up on a team where he was the primary scorer. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Great article, Mike. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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There's not that many dominating centers in the NBA. so do you draft a center that can potentially dominate in Oden or a scoring machine in Durant? It's a tough call. I'm sure you cant go wrong with either one of them. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Oden looks like a man amongst boys. He even looks old, sorta like how LeBron looked 40 when he entered the NBA. The dude will be a 20-10 guy by his sophomore year in the NBA. There is no way in hell, no matter how good Durant is, that I'd pass up Oden with the No. 1 pick. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think Durant is the superior player, but Oden has more value cuz of NBA's Big Man demand. _________________ www.lakersbrasil.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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AirKobe8 wrote: | I think Durant is the superior player, but Oden has more value cuz of NBA's Big Man demand. |
You can't teach size. It's as if KG and Shaq came into the league at the same time. Who would you pick? You'd have to go with Shaq. Or it's like when Jordan and Hakeem came into the league. You can't fault the Rockets for going with Hakeem first (Portland on the other hand...) |
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mike_dee23 wrote: | AirKobe8 wrote: | I think Durant is the superior player, but Oden has more value cuz of NBA's Big Man demand. |
You can't teach size. It's as if KG and Shaq came into the league at the same time. Who would you pick? You'd have to go with Shaq. Or it's like when Jordan and Hakeem came into the league. You can't fault the Rockets for going with Hakeem first (Portland on the other hand...) |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but I think Durant is closer to KG's ability now than Oden is to Shaq's.
Shaq was a no brainer because not only did he have size he was explosive and consistent.
Not to say Oden won't improve, but he doesn't look like LSU Shaq either. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Oden isn't an LSU Shaq. That's not his game.
But, if he's not a 20 14 4 center in the league, he's far short of his potential as well. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Oden isn't an LSU Shaq. That's not his game.
But, if he's not a 20 14 4 center in the league, he's far short of his potential as well. |
14 boards and 4 blocks is really hard to do. KG is leading the league right now and only averging 12.5 and Camby leads at 3 blocks per game. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, the article compares Durant's ceiling to 3 players who have yet to complete their championship resumes and 1 retired player, while Oden is compared to 3 retired players and just one active player.
The author just as easily could have written:
Possible Durant ceilings: Scottie Pippen, Julius Erving, Tracy McGrady, John Havlicek. Total NBA championships: Fifteen.
That being said, I'd still take Oden. ![](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Michlake wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | Oden isn't an LSU Shaq. That's not his game.
But, if he's not a 20 14 4 center in the league, he's far short of his potential as well. |
14 boards and 4 blocks is really hard to do. KG is leading the league right now and only averging 12.5 and Camby leads at 3 blocks per game. |
He can get there. If Ben Wallace and Mutombo have gotten awfully close, with Oden's athleticism and defensive mind, he can get there. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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first of all, its a great testimony to durant that he's even gotten to the point where the team that has the no. 1 pick will have something to think about...
so i think it'll come down to team needs, or even offers they'll be getting from teams with the no. 2 pick - who want a specific player.
this may sound surprizing, but i think durant has a better shot at realizing his pro pottential than oden.
dont' get me wrong - they both have great shots at doing that, but i think the safer bet is durant, and that sounds odd just typing those words...
if both live up to their pottentials - you take oden for sure.
but since there's no guarentee - i would take durant - who i think has the better chance of maximizing his pottential - unless i already have a stud young wing player (gay, green) and need a young big, or i get a really great offer from the team with the no. 2 pick. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the thing... just a quick example.
You can go plenty far with a Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen, Jason Richardson, etc. alongside Greg Oden.
Not exactly true if you've got Kevin Durant next to Mehmet Okur, Chris Kaman, etc. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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you're probably right, but i see durant as a better prospect than the ones you mentioned - although i see your point...
it has to come down to the drafting team's situation imo, which already shows just how far durant has come...
right now, i can't say i'd take oden in any scenario. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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davidse wrote: | you're probably right, but i see durant as a better prospect than the ones you mentioned - although i see your point...
it has to come down to the drafting team's situation imo, which already shows just how far durant has come...
right now, i can't say i'd take oden in any scenario. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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well, i think a team like the hawks are one team that should defenetly draft oden if they get the chance.
i just don't think it's that automatic for every team that gets the top pick.
do you think the bucks would draft oden ?
i'm not sure. |
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