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Fan0Bynum17
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 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: My JO offseason scenario |
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-Lakers Trade:
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown
Jordan Farmar
Pacers Trade:
Jermaine O'Neal
Jamaal Tinsley
David Harrison
-Draft Gabe Pruitt with the 19th
-Draft Dominic McGuire with the 33rd
-Draft Nemanja Aleksandrov with the 49th (hoping he enters, could be steal in 2nd round. stash him overseas)
-Resign Chris Mihm
-Resign Luke Walton
-Sign Eddie Jones to vets min.
Starting Lineup
C Andrew Bynum
PF Jermaine O'Neal
SF Luke Walton
SG Kobe Bryant
PG Jamaal Tinsley
Bench
Ronny Turiaf
Vladimir Radmanovic
Mo Evans
Chris Mihm
Eddie Jones
Brian Cook
Gabe Pruitt
David Harrison
Dominic McGuire
Nemanja Aleksandrov
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ERod86
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I would rather have KG or Pau, but JO is a more prototypical power forward who will provide all the rebounding the LO does but with a higher average scoring, and more shot blocking... I'm all for that. BUT Tinsely does all the things I hate about Smush. Just chucks up shots at the worst time, gives zero effort on D whenever he feels like it...Figure out a way to make that trade without giving Farmar. His effort, attitude and poise is really worth looking at a little longer. I would also give next years pick rather than this years.
Steve Blake would be good, I also like Charlie Bell. I would love to get Eddie back, but I'm not sure he's coming back, he's a Florida boy who has done a good job, why would the two sides part ways. |
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L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.4 minutes
Vladimir Radmanovic
6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
6.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jordan Farmar
6-2 PG from UCLA
4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.8 minutes
Incoming
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
19.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
13.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 31.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.0 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and +0.5 apg.
Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
19.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
13.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 31.4 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.4 minutes
Vladimir Radmanovic
6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
6.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jordan Farmar
6-2 PG from UCLA
4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.0 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and -0.5 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Indiana being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Indiana had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 3750091.
I would include money to buyout Sashas last year.
Plus picks. I guess 07 first plus 07 Bobcat 2nd would be fair.
Of course any sane person would rather hold on to Farmar and give up next year's first rather than this years.
That is why Walsh and Bird would do the deal. Lamar is not enough and they don't need Brown. They are not going mano-a-mano with Shaq for an entire 7 game series.
Kwame/Bynum/Mihm
O'Neal/Turiaf/Cook
Luke/
Kobe/Evans
Tinsley/
Then the Lakers go out and sign the best defenisve SF or PG with the MLE.
Then sign somebody for the position the Lakers did not get with vet minimum.
Maybe we could also get somebody usefull with the Lakers 2nd this year.
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LaxT
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| NestT wrote: | L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.4 minutes
Vladimir Radmanovic
6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
6.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jordan Farmar
6-2 PG from UCLA
4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.8 minutes
Incoming
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
19.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
13.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 31.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.0 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and +0.5 apg.
Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
19.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
13.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 31.4 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.4 minutes
Vladimir Radmanovic
6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
6.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.9 minutes
Jordan Farmar
6-2 PG from UCLA
4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.0 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and -0.5 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Indiana being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Indiana had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 3750091.
I would include money to buyout Sashas last year.
Plus picks. I guess 07 first plus 07 Bobcat 2nd would be fair.
Of course any sane person would rather hold on to Farmar and give up next year's first rather than this years.
That is why Walsh and Bird would do the deal. Lamar is not enough and they don't need Brown. They are not going mano-a-mano with Shaq for an entire 7 game series.
Kwame/Bynum/Mihm
O'Neal/Turiaf/Cook
Luke/
Kobe/Evans
Tinsley/
Then the Lakers go out and sign the best defenisve SF or PG with the MLE.
Then sign somebody for the position the Lakers did not get with vet minimum.
Maybe we could also get somebody usefull with the Lakers 2nd this year. |
you manage to get JO without losing either kwame or Bynum! I am afraid indy would hold for bynum. Does it become a deal breaker or does the Lakers settle for compensation, that is the question. |
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NestT
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: |
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you manage to get JO without losing either kwame or Bynum! I am afraid indy would hold for bynum. Does it become a deal breaker or does the Lakers settle for compensation, that is the question. |
I am a Kwame guy and I guess you are too. Since you equate Kwame's value to Bynum's. Around the league that ain't so.
Of course they will demand Bynum. Jimmy Buss won't let it happen. Look at what Indy got for Artest and what Philly got for AI. Jermaine is a big so there is a premium. Farmar, and the 19th and 37th(aproximatley) pick in a very deep draft.
Everywhere Kwame is a bust that is slowly, and I mean slowly, getting a reputation among NBA pro's as a defensive specialist. I doubt the Pacer's make Kwame the deal maker or deal breaker. I think they would rather have Farmar and the picks.
To most Indy fans Kwame would not be a basketball asset just an expiring contract. Under my scenario they don't even have to pay Kwame for one year. They get Vlad cheaper though on a longer deal.If they gave away Artest for Peja I don't see why they would look down on Vlad with an MLE contract.
Plus they can keep or cut Sasha without conscequence. and the promise of the potential of the picks.
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| If they get Odom back, he could survive out east as a quality 4. Kwame would be a starter that could handle just about any center out east, they can't get by with Foster/Murphy alongside Odom inside. A big key would be Farmar, that gives them a young true PG that would give them some hope from that spot. From Indy's standpoint you'd think they'd want to drop salary and add young talent, and the Laker trade would offer a little bit of both. Any scenario with the Lakers keeping Bynum AND Brown would be shocking and unrealistic. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| NestT wrote: |
If they gave away Artest for Peja I don't see why they would look down on Vlad with an MLE contract.
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They gave away Artest for Peja's ending contract. So it would not be difficult to assume they might have interest in Kwame's ending contract.
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Though Jordan Farmar is a good point guard the Pacers passed on him in last years draft so I'm not sure how attractive he is to them.
Any idea of Ike Diogu going to L.A. in my opinion isn't happening Bird and Walsh love his upside and had hoped he'd slip to 17 in the 2005 draft instead Granger did. Diogu was the piece they wanted in the Warrior deal.
As for Radmanovic the Pacers already have 2 young sf 2005& 2006 #1 picks Danny Granger and Shawne Williams to play that position , plus Dunleavy and Marquis Daniels.
To me Andrew Bynum is the deal breaker , no Bynum no JO is the way I think Pacer brass sees it. The idea would be to build arounf Diogu, Granger and Bynum.
Brown's contract being for only a year is nice but Pacers are so far over the cap it wouldn't really matter . |
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Indydave -
In that case, I think things will come to a stall. Assuming Odom and Bynum form the meat of the Laker offer and Tinsley is an unconditional inclusion, either Kwame or Vlad will have to be included for salaries to match. I can't see the Lakers giving up BOTH of their healthy centers and I can't see Indy taking on another softie shooting forward with a bad contract when they already have Murphy and Dunleavy.
What about LO/Bynum/Kwame/Sasha for JO/Tinsley/Foster? |
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LaxT
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| NestT wrote: | | LaxT wrote: |
you manage to get JO without losing either kwame or Bynum! I am afraid indy would hold for bynum. Does it become a deal breaker or does the Lakers settle for compensation, that is the question. |
I am a Kwame guy and I guess you are too. Since you equate Kwame's value to Bynum's. Around the league that ain't so.
Of course they will demand Bynum. Jimmy Buss won't let it happen. Look at what Indy got for Artest and what Philly got for AI. Jermaine is a big so there is a premium. Farmar, and the 19th and 37th(aproximatley) pick in a very deep draft.
Everywhere Kwame is a bust that is slowly, and I mean slowly, getting a reputation among NBA pro's as a defensive specialist. I doubt the Pacer's make Kwame the deal maker or deal breaker. I think they would rather have Farmar and the picks.
To most Indy fans Kwame would not be a basketball asset just an expiring contract. Under my scenario they don't even have to pay Kwame for one year. They get Vlad cheaper though on a longer deal.If they gave away Artest for Peja I don't see why they would look down on Vlad with an MLE contract.
Plus they can keep or cut Sasha without conscequence. and the promise of the potential of the picks. |
Kwame has more "game value" right now but Bynum has more trade value. That's why I think bynum will be the deal breaker just like in the Kidd talk.
If JO forces his way, we may get a discount deal, i.e. a deal without bynum. Otherwise, indy holds it or turns to other teams. |
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| indy_dave00 wrote: | Though Jordan Farmar is a good point guard the Pacers passed on him in last years draft so I'm not sure how attractive he is to them.
Any idea of Ike Diogu going to L.A. in my opinion isn't happening Bird and Walsh love his upside and had hoped he'd slip to 17 in the 2005 draft instead Granger did. Diogu was the piece they wanted in the Warrior deal.
As for Radmanovic the Pacers already have 2 young sf 2005& 2006 #1 picks Danny Granger and Shawne Williams to play that position , plus Dunleavy and Marquis Daniels.
To me Andrew Bynum is the deal breaker , no Bynum no JO is the way I think Pacer brass sees it. The idea would be to build arounf Diogu, Granger and Bynum.
Brown's contract being for only a year is nice but Pacers are so far over the cap it wouldn't really matter . |
To match salaries, LO is needed. The problem is, from a laker fan's perspective, LO+ Bynum is too much for JO, let alone taking back contracts like Tinsley. So if not Diogu, what compensation may the pacer offer to balance? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | NestT wrote: |
If they gave away Artest for Peja I don't see why they would look down on Vlad with an MLE contract.
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They gave away Artest for Peja's ending contract. So it would not be difficult to assume they might have interest in Kwame's ending contract. |
No they didn't. They had every notion of resigning Peja and Bird said so on tv. Then New Orleans offered an absolutely rediculous contract that the Pacers refused to match or beat. With good reason.
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| indy_dave00 wrote: | | Though Jordan Farmar is a good point guard the Pacers passed on him in last years draft so I'm not sure how attractive he is to them. |
The Pacers also passed on Monta Ellis you think he might draw interest now?
16 Teams passed on Jermaine and 12 teams passed on Kobe that would probably have interest in them now.
They did not like Farmar as a prospect coming out of college. After he played well enoughin the NBA to make the rookie all-star team that might have changed. Especially since there is no PG of the future in Indy.
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To me Andrew Bynum is the deal breaker , no Bynum no JO is the way I think Pacer brass sees it. The idea would be to build arounf Diogu, Granger and Bynum. |
That would be the sane response fram an Indy fan.
As the sane response from a Laker fan would be no Wade no Shaq.
We were hoping for JO or Dirk. But would settle for Lamar plus Wade and Grant as a salary ballast.
Do you think Philly fans love the AI deal?
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Brown's contract being for only a year is nice but Pacers are so far over the cap it wouldn't really matter . |
thanks for your input there.
The bottom line would be what JO does and how he goes about it.
Reportedly there was an AI deal to Charlotte. AI said he would report to Charlotte but that that he would not be happy. Deal killed.
Apparently there was interest Indy for Shaq. Shaq informed Walsh if he was traded there he would have toe surgery at the begining of the season,take all season to recover, then opt out the following summer.
Deal killed.
What would JO do if Indy has a nice deal with Portland centered around Randolph,young talent and picks?
He sees no opportunity to win a championship with such a young team.
Does he say I will report but will not be happy about it?
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| Id rather trade odom and brown for O'NEAL and foster.since indy has no picks the lakers 1st rounder would look good to them.sign blake to go with farmar.if you want another vet guard cook could be bait. |
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