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LakerDYnasty72
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He needed a coach, and I'm assuming it's Ham, who will not sugar coat anything to him. A coach who will be very specific about what he needs/expects from Westbrook, and who follows through with what Westbrook can expect if those expectations are not met, or just flat out ignored.
It's really simple. None of these areas would be an issue if he had a consistent jumper and made an effort to played decent, intelligent defense. What the he_l was this FO (whomever that is) thinking? |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | He needed a coach, and I'm assuming it's Ham, who will not sugar coat anything to him. A coach who will be very specific about what he needs/expects from Westbrook, and who follows through with what Westbrook can expect if those expectations are not met, or just flat out ignored.
It's really simple. None of these areas would be an issue if he had a consistent jumper and made an effort to played decent, intelligent defense. What the he_l was this FO (whomever that is) thinking? |
What he needs is to get out of LA Lakers team |
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lakersfan8
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| I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
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JeezyXVII
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
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lakersfan8
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| JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Yea. Or he can opt-in and still does his own thing. You have to understand, that's a lot of money to say no to. |
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| JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | He needed a coach, and I'm assuming it's Ham, who will not sugar coat anything to him. A coach who will be very specific about what he needs/expects from Westbrook, and who follows through with what Westbrook can expect if those expectations are not met, or just flat out ignored.
It's really simple. None of these areas would be an issue if he had a consistent jumper and made an effort to played decent, intelligent defense. What the he_l was this FO (whomever that is) thinking? |
What he needs is to get out of LA Lakers team |
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| Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
At least Lebron has history with Kyrie. His “Let Russ be Russ “ teammate strategy did not work. |
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ContagiousInspiration
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
If nobody stops him from doing his job he will bench Russ and just not play him if he tries to pull some BS.
I would love to watch a 47 million dollar manchild pout and be heckled.. I think Ham is willing to take the effort to break people and make them change
If Lakers want to win a title the coach cannot be told what to do by anyone |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
If nobody stops him from doing his job he will bench Russ and just not play him if he tries to pull some BS.
I would love to watch a 47 million dollar manchild pout and be heckled.. I think Ham is willing to take the effort to break people and make them change
If Lakers want to win a title the coach cannot be told what to do by anyone |
Yeah, it's drastically different then last Season.. He's already clearly hated by the majority of fans and it's no big secret they have tried to trade him. Though the biggest change is that he is now on his final year so even if we don't/can't trade him him that comical salary is off the books forever regardless which gives the fo and coaching staff much more power while knowing the entire fan base will be behind the decision to John Wall him if he pouts and/or doesn't respect the new coach.
I agree there's zero chance he's declining his option though no matter how he feels. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Bron would check his ass.
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| hype wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
If nobody stops him from doing his job he will bench Russ and just not play him if he tries to pull some BS.
I would love to watch a 47 million dollar manchild pout and be heckled.. I think Ham is willing to take the effort to break people and make them change
If Lakers want to win a title the coach cannot be told what to do by anyone |
Yeah, it's drastically different then last Season.. He's already clearly hated by the majority of fans and it's no big secret they have tried to trade him. Though the biggest change is that he is now on his final year so even if we don't/can't trade him him that comical salary is off the books forever regardless which gives the fo and coaching staff much more power while knowing the entire fan base will be behind the decision to John Wall him if he pouts and/or doesn't respect the new coach.
I agree there's zero chance he's declining his option though no matter how he feels. |
him waiting for June 29 to opt in is just his way of sticking it to the lakers. What other explanation could it be |
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| paymonM wrote: | | hype wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
If nobody stops him from doing his job he will bench Russ and just not play him if he tries to pull some BS.
I would love to watch a 47 million dollar manchild pout and be heckled.. I think Ham is willing to take the effort to break people and make them change
If Lakers want to win a title the coach cannot be told what to do by anyone |
Yeah, it's drastically different then last Season.. He's already clearly hated by the majority of fans and it's no big secret they have tried to trade him. Though the biggest change is that he is now on his final year so even if we don't/can't trade him him that comical salary is off the books forever regardless which gives the fo and coaching staff much more power while knowing the entire fan base will be behind the decision to John Wall him if he pouts and/or doesn't respect the new coach.
I agree there's zero chance he's declining his option though no matter how he feels. |
him waiting for June 29 to opt in is just his way of sticking it to the lakers. What other explanation could it be |
Knicks (of old): Russ, hold on, if we can't get Brunson or Kyrie, 3yr/$90m going your way |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| paymonM wrote: | | hype wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
If nobody stops him from doing his job he will bench Russ and just not play him if he tries to pull some BS.
I would love to watch a 47 million dollar manchild pout and be heckled.. I think Ham is willing to take the effort to break people and make them change
If Lakers want to win a title the coach cannot be told what to do by anyone |
Yeah, it's drastically different then last Season.. He's already clearly hated by the majority of fans and it's no big secret they have tried to trade him. Though the biggest change is that he is now on his final year so even if we don't/can't trade him him that comical salary is off the books forever regardless which gives the fo and coaching staff much more power while knowing the entire fan base will be behind the decision to John Wall him if he pouts and/or doesn't respect the new coach.
I agree there's zero chance he's declining his option though no matter how he feels. |
him waiting for June 29 to opt in is just his way of sticking it to the lakers. What other explanation could it be |
Can't "stick" it to the Lakers for one reason. They already have scenarios for whichever outcome. They know he's not going to opt out, but I guarantee they're still ready if he does. |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Bron would check his ass. |
The only negative for KI is if his unvaccinated status would be disrupting things. Otherwise, he's a different player if he reunites w/LeBron. He expressed regret that he didn't play with LeBron longer.
Quote: "If I was in the same maturity line and understanding of who I am [now], and I look back, we definitely, definitely would've won more championships," 30-year-old Irving, who now plays alongside Kevin Durant on the Brooklyn Nets, said in the episode"
Had problem posting the link, but it's from a May 2022 article in People |
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| Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Trade franchise player to see if a career loser in Westbrook can improve his trade value  |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: |
The only negative for KI is if his unvaccinated status would be disrupting things. |
I don't think that's the only negative. 30 years old. Oft-injured. Not much of a defender.
However, elite playmaker and clutch -- Finals Series Winner |
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| If we somehow get a trio of Irving-James-Davis.. literally no team scares me other than the grim reaper and his plagues lol |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: |
The only negative for KI is if his unvaccinated status would be disrupting things. |
I don't think that's the only negative. 30 years old. Oft-injured. Not much of a defender.
However, elite playmaker and clutch -- Finals Series Winner |
I'll take that over a listless defender, who can't shoot, and hasn't changed his game to make a positive difference. |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| Robblake wrote: | | If we somehow get a trio of Irving-James-Davis.. literally no team scares me other than the grim reaper and his plagues lol |
IF healthy....AND what we can put around them....agree. |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: |
The only negative for KI is if his unvaccinated status would be disrupting things. |
I don't think that's the only negative. 30 years old. Oft-injured. Not much of a defender.
However, elite playmaker and clutch -- Finals Series Winner |
I'll take that over a listless defender, who can't shoot, and hasn't changed his game to make a positive difference. |
Oh my, if you could walk further in quick sand that’s what you most of you are asking for!
The dude is UNRELIABLE! Case CLOSED. We CANNOT AFFORD TO KEEP GOING BACKWARDS WITH THESE OLD HEADS & FRIENDS OF LBJ!!! 😡
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | paymonM wrote: | | hype wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I have a hard time picturing RW listens and follows what a rookie coach says to him |
If he does not want to listen to a rookie coach, he does not have to.
He can decline his PO and go where ever he wants to, and not hold a team hostage by not committing to the culture coach Ham is trying to install here. |
Will be tough on hamm. Kyrie said he didn’t need a coach.
The Russ dilemma
this link from 2019 regarding bron
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826650-michael-wilbon-doc-rivers-has-been-told-lebron-james-doesnt-want-to-be-coached
Getting kyrie makes us a contender
But imho without that move. We need to rebuild. Trade bron for assets. Let Russ and AD play this year, and see if by deadline Russ has value |
Yea, I don't think Ham is the right coach for either Irving or RW |
If nobody stops him from doing his job he will bench Russ and just not play him if he tries to pull some BS.
I would love to watch a 47 million dollar manchild pout and be heckled.. I think Ham is willing to take the effort to break people and make them change
If Lakers want to win a title the coach cannot be told what to do by anyone |
Yeah, it's drastically different then last Season.. He's already clearly hated by the majority of fans and it's no big secret they have tried to trade him. Though the biggest change is that he is now on his final year so even if we don't/can't trade him him that comical salary is off the books forever regardless which gives the fo and coaching staff much more power while knowing the entire fan base will be behind the decision to John Wall him if he pouts and/or doesn't respect the new coach.
I agree there's zero chance he's declining his option though no matter how he feels. |
him waiting for June 29 to opt in is just his way of sticking it to the lakers. What other explanation could it be |
Can't "stick" it to the Lakers for one reason. They already have scenarios for whichever outcome. They know he's not going to opt out, but I guarantee they're still ready if he does. |
Oddly enough.. could it hurt us worse if he didn't opt in... no money and we need him as a trade asset? |
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