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epic_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Congrats on the win coach. _________________ ππ π π π #18!!! |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe we hired him for the finals when we face Milwaukee. |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe we hired him for the finals when we face Milwaukee. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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epic_ Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Jan 2020 Posts: 11310
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1598909122560172033
Code: | LA used 5-Out more frequently vs Milwaukee than they have any other game this season.
This was their lowest 4-Out 1-In usage all year & 2nd time 5-Out usage > 4-Out 1-In usage this year.
PPP on the year:
Freelance
5-Out: 1.02
4-Out 1-In: 0.90
Sets
5-Out: 1.14
4-Out 1-In: 1:09 |
Coaching isn't just about lineups, fam.
Interesting stuff, coach. Also explains why TB and Gabriel get limited minutes. _________________ ππ π π π #18!!! |
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aiel Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I remember coach Ham had a conversation with Russ at the beginning of the season and said something to the effect, "If you trust me you're going the thrive". Look at how far this team has come, from not trading Russ, to an 0 and 5 start, moving Russ to the bench, and beating the Bucks. Russ had/has a negative trade value and a bad reputation, look at him now because he trusted Ham. Other players see this, and they will come.
Ham has a reputation as a culture setter, I was skeptical but I think I'm now starting to believe. He may end up being the most important pick-up since the Lakers drafted Kobe. |
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epic_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Omg, Lakers offense has been buzzing _________________ ππ π π π #18!!! |
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LakerFan1987 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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aiel wrote: | I remember coach Ham had a conversation with Russ at the beginning of the season and said something to the effect, "If you trust me you're going the thrive". Look at how far this team has come, from not trading Russ, to an 0 and 5 start, moving Russ to the bench, and beating the Bucks. Russ had/has a negative trade value and a bad reputation, look at him now because he trusted Ham. Other players see this, and they will come.
Ham has a reputation as a culture setter, I was skeptical but I think I'm now starting to believe. He may end up being the most important pick-up since the Lakers drafted Kobe. |
Agree. I think Ham's hard work in building a good culture and the guys building chemistry is starting to pay off.
We are 10-12 after 22 games.
I think it's possible we can go 35-25 in the next 60 games. |
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sonic the laker Star Player
Joined: 06 Oct 2013 Posts: 2075
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm liking the direction the team is going in, lately. There are a few concerns, I have. One is the lack of size at the 3 spot, after Brown Jr.. The other are these late game let-ups that the Lakers seem to keep indulging in, led by LeBron going iso mode. Those things are correctible going forward.
My other concern is the increasing lack of offensive inclusivity, in the last couple games. It may just be a game-to-game thing. But, I'm concerned to see guys like Lonnie, and Reaves, not having as much engagement in the offense. And, being relegated to mostly spot up shooters. They've demonstrated they have more to offer than that. We're winning despite this, and I'm definitely not complaining about winning. But, if we're riding AD this hard during the season, will he have enough for a possible post season? And, if you freeze your role players out, and need them in the case of a post season push, will they be able to just turn it on?
Personally, I would like to see Ham get our key role players more involved in the offense, going forward. The AD/LeBron/Russ show is cool to watch. But, I believe we're going to need more than that, over the course of the season. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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sonic the laker Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Also, is JTA REALLY that bad, that you'd play Bev over him, and just give up size? JTA, so far, isn't shooting any better than Bev. But, at least he can guard bigger players, better than Bev. Not sure why he fell out of the rotation so hard.. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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epic_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Last 10 games rating and rank:
Ortg 118.6 (4th)
Drtg 110.2 (8th)
Net 8.4 (4th)
Buzzing! _________________ ππ π π π #18!!! |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ham is that guy. So many were caught up in the losing and not seeing the defensive identity, ball movement, spacing, guys buying into their roles, etc. In reality, we are a very new team trying to figure it out but no doubt we have turned a couple corners... really pleased with Ham. |
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hydrohead Star Player
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 4121 Location: Space City
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:18 am Post subject: |
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sonic the laker wrote: | Also, is JTA REALLY that bad, that you'd play Bev over him, and just give up size? JTA, so far, isn't shooting any better than Bev. But, at least he can guard bigger players, better than Bev. Not sure why he fell out of the rotation so hard.. |
JTA shoots 3s like heβs playing hot potato. _________________ Darvin |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:50 am Post subject: |
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JTA sucks, hes good for garbage minutes at the end at best _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
85 87 88 00 01 02 09 10 20
17 99 19 22 44 13 25 Mic.
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epic_ Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:15 am Post subject: |
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epic_ wrote: | Last 10 games rating and rank:
Ortg 118.6 (4th)
Drtg 110.2 (8th)
Net 8.4 (4th)
Buzzing! |
Quote: | Lakers offense rankings:
Full season: 23rd
Since Nov. 1: 6th
Since Nov. 15: 3rd
Since Dec. 1: 2nd
Ignore their historically inept shooting start and this has been one of the best offenses in the NBA. |
Start giving the coaching staff some props.
No offense to Vogel, but his offense wasn't it.
Ham making the switch to 5 out in-season has been huge. _________________ ππ π π π #18!!! |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Ham is doing this in spite of getting literally no production from Bev/Nunn.
Imagine if we make a trade and get him a reliable scorer (Bojan) or some bigger wings? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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danzag Franchise Player
Joined: 28 Apr 2013 Posts: 22399 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Right now:
#10 in DEFRTG
#22 in OFFRTG
Slowly getting better |
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ZenMaster4President Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:09 am Post subject: |
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No props after that monumental idiocy of lineups. Especially one to finish the game with Bron at C.
Simply moronic. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Those 4 guard lineups suck. Come on, coach |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:56 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | Those 4 guard lineups suck. Come on, coach |
Shoulda played Bryant-Bron-Brown front court a lil more. Even the announcers kept saying Bryant was making a case for himself, sounded like LG lol |
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lakerican Star Player
Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 3793
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:04 am Post subject: |
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ZenMaster4President wrote: | No props after that monumental idiocy of lineups. Especially one to finish the game with Bron at C.
Simply moronic. |
Well, TBryant was the 2nd laker in mins with 28 behind Lebron who played 35; DJones play 11 minutes. TBryant was tired in the 4th. Lebron really played 2 or 3 mins. at center.
The real problem was we got nobody to guard Spida. He went nuclear and really butchered Reeves. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Front office is going to have to trade Bev b/c Ham isn't going to recover from his Averybradlitis re: Bev.
Bev is just killing us out there as teams literally do not guard him. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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scout_0 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Dennis 6"1
Beverly 6"2
Walker 6"4
This guy is dumb |
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scout_0 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:50 am Post subject: |
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If you look at the TOP TEAMS they have 1 thing in common. They rank at the top of eFG%.
based on eFG%
Thomas Bryant
Wenyen Gabriel
Austin Reaves
Anthony Davis
Lonnie Walker IV
Troy Brown Jr
LeBron James
And Dennis we know can play at a high level.
There is no REASON to play BRICK, Beverly, Jones these guys are straight garbage.
PG.Walker / Dennis
SG.Reaves / Brown
SF.LeBron / Brown
PF.Gabriel / Davis
C.Davis / Bryant
Why not deploy the players who can actually play basketball?
Imagine that team going up against
Dennis
Beverly
Walker
LeBron
Davis
You'd lose 9 out of 10 times. You will get out rebounded, they will kill you in the paint, and their defense will be better because of their length. On offense you put the ball on LeBron/Reave hands and them AD go to work. Now the ball is in the hand of efficient players. Have you not seen Reaves constantly ignoring Brick ? This kid is smart. He understands percentages
But no..................LETS KEEP LOSING!!!!!!
PG.Dennis
SG.Beverly
SF.BRICK
PF.WALKER
C.NUNN
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I think Ham has actually figured out a lot of the stuff after initially being lost. One of the key things he realized is WB needs to stay away from Lebron/AD to get AD going. Because when it's just AD/Lebron, and Lebron wants to, AD will be the featured player. Secondly, our spacing has been quite good. We spread the floor really well with his schemes. We target a lot of open paint off the ball stuff, which is what we were trying last year to do. Imagine if our spacing/spread offense had some actual quality shooters.
Mainly I think coaching is not an issue with the Lakers. It's our roster, it's limitations stick out. We just don't have enough shooters that can defend at a high level. We don't have enough size next to AD/Lebron. This has been the case since the Westbrook trade.
I feel Ham's been a solid 7/10. He's been solid with the team.
All that said, as we saw last night. Put last year's AD on this year's team and we're a 6-15 type of team right now. AD playing like a MVP allows us to be at 10-13. That shows how weak the cast is. I don't fault Ham for the roster's limitations. I didn't fault last year's staff either. But the #1 reason we're sniffing .500 and a play in is AD playing like a MVP. The minute AD gets hurt or if his level drops, we're toast.
Most important thing he has gotten done that I respect, he's gotten Westbrook to play off the bench and look for AD. That's something last year WB would have never done. Now I don't agree with keeping this situation (I'd cash in on AD and move him ASAP for longterm assets to build the next ring team) but since Jeanie/Rob want to make this work and look competitive/respectable, I feel Ham has done a real solid job with the situation he's given. This team isn't better than a 11-12/10-13 type of team with any coach, IMO. |
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