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Chase.button07 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:14 am Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | Chase.button07 wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | The disappointing part about Luke is the assistants he has chosen among other things. |
yes i don't like it either. it looks like reunion or something.
not a single guy with decent credibility like Ron Adams or other good assistants |
Seems like you're engaged in hyperbole. Who, specifically, on our coaching staff is looked at by any source you've found as lacking credibility? If you're going to make a statement like that, please provide some factual support (other than just citing to nepotism). |
What are you talking about?
There were better defensive options who we didn't even try to get. I don't remember their names but I know 1 went to raptors and other to Houston _________________ Now Playing: The Zo Show @Staples |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:18 am Post subject: |
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There's a lot to not like about Luke's coaching style, a lot of which we went over during the season last year. But I agree that his choice of assistants is particularly suspect. I know most coaches hire their buddies or people close to them, but Luke kind of went overboard there. |
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The Logo Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:58 am Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | You can never trust what comes out of Russian media. But even if it's true I'm glad the FO made the decision to make the trade. |
Uhm this is basketball, not politics. Also those words are literally coming out of Mozgov's mouth |
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Eindhoven Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:10 am Post subject: |
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You can have buddies who are good assistant coaches and that seems to be Mermuys' case, at least he had a respectable career before joining Luke's staff.
The name that really bothers me in the staff is Jud Buechler. His experience with basketball coaching between retiring as a player (2003) and being hired by the Lakers (2016): none, zero, zip, zilch, ninguna. What in seven hells is he doing over there?
Besides that, I have two concerns: defense and shooting. Our terrible defense last season wasn't just because of players, but we had no defensive system. That's the coach job and having a respectable defensive coordinator would have helped. I'd like to have an expert shooting coach around, as it's something most of our players have to develop.
I'm not a Brian Shaw's fan, but I understand his role in the staff. Brian Keefe is our best asset over there and Casey Owens earned his spot. Not sure about Madsen, though. _________________ .... |
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Eindhoven Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:20 am Post subject: |
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About Luke, he showed some positives and negatives, but his balance for a rookie year was OK. I really want to see improvements in terms of defense and rotations. He avoided some rotations that were very good in the short period they were in court, stuck to some terrible ones and made too many hockey-subs.
He only showed some flexibility when he had players shut down and some injuries. Although the second unit worked well for some time, it's not good in the long term having your units playing such different styles of basketball.
And, as much as he didn't have great defenders, a lot of a team's defense is about system and we were completely lost in that end. It's not just that we were the worst defensive team last year. We were among the worst in the last decade.
He's not on the hot seat by now, but if he doesn't show clear improvements as a sophomore, his credits will be over. _________________ .... |
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:24 am Post subject: |
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I didn't like his offense and I didn't like his defense.
What I liked was that he's got everyone buying into whatever they're doing and playing as a team. And if summer league is anything to go off, passing is becoming a very important part of the team that everyone will do. This is important because offensively it means we become hard to predict, but also defensively because if everyone is involved then everyone becomes excited and will spend more effort and energy on defense
But what I really don't like about the offense is that there are so many times when players are just standing around, and there is also too much passing at the top of the three point line, near half court. Those passes are too slow and never seemed to get anything going _________________ Kobe |
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DA1 Starting Rotation
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32 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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We better see some improvement in Luke's defense this year. The honeymoon is over. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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#StayInYoLane Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | We better see some improvement in Luke's defense this year. The honeymoon is over. |
Agreed. Who is in charge of the defense right now? Bshaw? |
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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#StayInYoLane wrote: | 32 wrote: | We better see some improvement in Luke's defense this year. The honeymoon is over. |
Agreed. Who is in charge of the defense right now? Bshaw? |
I think so. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yesterday the team allowed 100 points in 40 frickin minutes. It took an MVP performance by Lonzo to win the game. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Yesterday the team allowed 100 points in 40 frickin minutes. It took an MVP performance by Lonzo to win the game. |
Chill. It was Summer League, which is basically a glorified pick up basketball game. |
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Rivershow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Yesterday the team allowed 100 points in 40 frickin minutes. It took an MVP performance by Lonzo to win the game. |
It's the damn summer league. Expecting guys who are 1 step from not even being G league level players to play defense consistently is ridiculously not realistic. |
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Luke is getting the team he wants, and they're playing that style he's been preaching. With Lonzo leading the team to the playoffs, he's going to get coach of the year next year. |
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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He also said "I hope he gets it." in his interview with Lowe.. hmm |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: |
He also said "I hope he gets it." in his interview with Lowe.. hmm |
I thought he sounded like he wasn't cool with the trade actually |
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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justsomelakerfan wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: |
He also said "I hope he gets it." in his interview with Lowe.. hmm |
I thought he sounded like he wasn't cool with the trade actually |
Maybe, it's hard to infer what his whole stance on it is - but he expressed his emotional attachment to Dlo and the young guys - that's one aspect of it.. yea |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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justsomelakerfan wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: |
He also said "I hope he gets it." in his interview with Lowe.. hmm |
I thought he sounded like he wasn't cool with the trade actually |
This is the impression I got when I was psychoanalyzing his body language in the war room on draft night when the selection was made _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:53 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | 32 wrote: | Yesterday the team allowed 100 points in 40 frickin minutes. It took an MVP performance by Lonzo to win the game. |
Chill. It was Summer League, which is basically a glorified pick up basketball game. |
Right. It's not like these teams have implemented any extensive system on either end. There isn't anything close to enough time to do that during SL. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Luke wanted the Ball/DLO/Ingram trio too _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:35 am Post subject: |
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manlisten wrote: | justsomelakerfan wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: |
He also said "I hope he gets it." in his interview with Lowe.. hmm |
I thought he sounded like he wasn't cool with the trade actually |
This is the impression I got when I was psychoanalyzing his body language in the war room on draft night when the selection was made |
Not to mention a slight twitching of the left eyelid and rise in internal body temperature that could be seen on infrared. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:04 am Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Yesterday the team allowed 100 points in 40 frickin minutes. It took an MVP performance by Lonzo to win the game. |
You do know that Luke wasn't coaching. Right? And Brian Shaw, who you think is the defensive coach, but really have no clue, wasn't coaching either. And many of the players in the game won't be on a NBA roster. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | 32 wrote: | Yesterday the team allowed 100 points in 40 frickin minutes. It took an MVP performance by Lonzo to win the game. |
You do know that Luke wasn't coaching. Right? And Brian Shaw, who you think is the defensive coach, but really have no clue, wasn't coaching either. And many of the players in the game won't be on a NBA roster. |
I know Luke wasn't coaching. Stop with your b******* comments. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:28 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | Luke wanted the Ball/DLO/Ingram trio too |
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