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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject:

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How many 2nd/3rd yr players are better than our 2nd/3rd (or even rookies)?


I don't know about Lonzo, but the following are outdoing Ingram and Kuz so far: Simmons, KAT, Tatum, Mitchell, Porzingis, Booker, Brown, Murray, Turner, Sabonis, Portis, and Anunoby for starters.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject:

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governator wrote:
How many 2nd/3rd yr players are better than our 2nd/3rd (or even rookies)?


I don't know about Lonzo, but the following are outdoing Ingram and Kuz so far: Simmons, KAT, Tatum, Mitchell, Porzingis, Booker, Brown, Murray, Turner, Sabonis, Portis, and Anunoby for starters.

Simmons, KAT, Porzi are the only ones you can say definitely are and arguably Tatum but he's pretty one dimensional imo. The rest I would disagree with are outperforming BI.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:31 pm    Post subject:

No way to tell not enough of a sample size in games played. This claim is as dumb as Colin Coward saying IT won't work on the team. He played one game.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject:

Is that a controversial statement? It's kind of self-evident.

Did they say no one on the Lakers will ever be a superstar?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:09 pm    Post subject:

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These same guys think Kuzma is pour best player, and once proclaimed KAT to be the next Tim Duncan.


Anyone thinking Kuzma is our best player is just flat out wrong, but have you paid attention to what Towns is doing this year? KAT at 22 is playing as well as Duncan at 22 - not nearly as good defensively, but much better offensively.


That's what made Tim Duncan, Tim Duncan. An offense only Tim Duncan is an all-star, but just another player forgotten over time.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:48 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject:

I think BI and Kuz are going to be our main stars... that's why the trade that brought Kuzma in LA was big.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:04 pm    Post subject:

Day wrote:
Threatt_Level wrote:
governator wrote:
How many 2nd/3rd yr players are better than our 2nd/3rd (or even rookies)?


I don't know about Lonzo, but the following are outdoing Ingram and Kuz so far: Simmons, KAT, Tatum, Mitchell, Porzingis, Booker, Brown, Murray, Turner, Sabonis, Portis, and Anunoby for starters.

Simmons, KAT, Porzi are the only ones you can say definitely are and arguably Tatum but he's pretty one dimensional imo. The rest I would disagree with are outperforming BI.


No doubt KAT and Porzingis are killing it, but they are also each 3rd year players. Simmons is less impressive than one might think. Also, keep in mind that both Ingram and Ball are 20 years old. I don't think Tatum will be in the same tier as Ball/Ingram when all is said and done, but included him below regardless.

2017-2018 Per 36 Min. Numbers:
KA. Towns (Age 22): 22.1 PPG (64.7 TS%), 12.0 RPG, 2.4 APG, 0.7 SPG, 1.5 BPG
K. Porzing (Age 22): 25.2 PPG (53.9 TS%), 10.1 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.2 SPG, 3.7 BPG
Simmons (Age 21): 16.9 PPG (54.2 TS%), 7.9 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.9 SPG, 1.0 BPG
Ingram (Age 20): 17.0 PPG (52.9 TS%), 5.6 RPG, 3.9 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.7 BPG
Ball (Age 20): 10.8 PPG (43.6 TS%), 7.6 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.9 NPG
Tatum (Age 19): 15.8 PPG (59.3 TS%), 6.0 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.1 SPG, 0.9 BPG

Ironically, the only thing separating Ball and Simmons really (other than their height and positions) is shooting %. If Ball shot as well as Simmons, they'd be scoring at about the same level PPG. Give Ingram and Ball each another year or two, then lets see where they are at. The talking heads forget how young our guys are.

Oh, and here's Randle and Kuzma for good measure -

Kuzma (Age 22): 18.9 PPG (54.5 TS%), 7.2 RPG, 2.2 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.5 BPG
Randle (Age 23): 21.4 PPG (60.0 TS%), 10.9 RPG, 3.3 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.9 BPG
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:16 pm    Post subject:

What is a superstar?

Everyone has different definitions.

To me, at present there are three superstars in the league:

Greek Freak
Durant
LeBron


So in that analysis, about 10% of the teams have a superstar.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
What is a superstar?

Everyone has different definitions.

To me, at present there are three superstars in the league:

Greek Freak
Durant
LeBron


So in that analysis, about 10% of the teams have a superstar.


What about Curry, Westbrook, Harden, and Kawhi?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
What is a superstar?

Everyone has different definitions.

To me, at present there are three superstars in the league:

Greek Freak
Durant
LeBron


So in that analysis, about 10% of the teams have a superstar.


No Anthony Davis?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:28 pm    Post subject:

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LakerLanny wrote:
What is a superstar?

Everyone has different definitions.

To me, at present there are three superstars in the league:

Greek Freak
Durant
LeBron


So in that analysis, about 10% of the teams have a superstar.


What about Curry, Westbrook, Harden, and Kawhi?


I almost put Westbrook in and made it four.

The others I would rank as stars, but Superstar? Not so sure about that.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:29 pm    Post subject:

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No Anthony Davis?


Fantastic talent and has the skills/body/talent to get to the superstar level which is saying something.

But is he is superstar right now? Not by my definition which I admit is a picky one.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject:

Day wrote:
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governator wrote:
How many 2nd/3rd yr players are better than our 2nd/3rd (or even rookies)?


I don't know about Lonzo, but the following are outdoing Ingram and Kuz so far: Simmons, KAT, Tatum, Mitchell, Porzingis, Booker, Brown, Murray, Turner, Sabonis, Portis, and Anunoby for starters.

Simmons, KAT, Porzi are the only ones you can say definitely are and arguably Tatum but he's pretty one dimensional imo. The rest I would disagree with are outperforming BI.

and those are the ones that are superstar in the making potential. BI is not at that level... yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:20 pm    Post subject:

I think there are 7 superstars currently in the NBA - LeBron, Westbrook, Harden, Steph, Durant, Giannis and Leonard.

Here are the 22 to 25 year old guys who could still make the leap - Porzingis, KAT, Anthony Davis, and Embiid.

Here are the under 22 guys who, IMO, have the potential to become superstars, but it will remain to be seen: Dennis Smith, Ball, Ingram, Tatum, Mitchell, Fultz, and Simmons.

Honorable Mentions: Booker, Wiggins, Russell, Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray, Nokic and Fox.

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The 2017 draft was pretty amazing if you think about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
What is a superstar?

Everyone has different definitions.

To me, at present there are three superstars in the league:

Greek Freak
Durant
LeBron


So in that analysis, about 10% of the teams have a superstar.

Part of being a superstar is staying healthy, which separated guys like Kobe and Kidd from guys like G Hill and tmac.
Porzingis is done for the year so thats an incomplete grade, Lonzo we'll have to wait and see if he can finish the year but BI so far has been injury free.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
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They donít watch games; so their opinion is not informed.

Sir Charles admitted on the radio today that he hasnít watched an NBA game in 3 weeks because he is focused on the NCAA tournament.


that is really what you took from this post?


I read the title and thatís it; I also watched part of that laughable segment.

I guess that conversation is still better than you wanting to attach Lonzo to Deng just to get an old CP3 back. Are you so much of a Lonzo hater that you want to re-create the old and stale Cleveland Cavaliers team that just got blown up?

Ingram/Deng for torn achilles Cousins is also, in the words of Barkley, turrible.


your response is ignorant....I have never said I wanted to do any of the (bleep) you listed.....am so over this "i do not like what you said, so I will deflect and try to defame you with some other (bleep)"...so weak


Ignorant? Nah, here is what you said on page 1007 of the FA thread

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some get mad when I say it....but will not be shocked "if" Lebron & PG-13 come to the Lakers.....either Ball is used to move the Deng contract to sign Chris Paul....or Ingram is used to move the Deng contract to sign Cousins.....or one or both of them are used to move the Deng contract in a trade for a Superstar like Anthony Davis.


Itís cool...you do you. Just practice what you preach and donít get personal man.


He never said he wanted any of that to happen. It was just his guess that, that may be what would happen.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:44 pm    Post subject:

Porzingis is a unicorn but I wouldn't put him at superstar. Too many weaknesses.

Poor rebounder.
Poor defender other than rim protection.
Doesn't create for others.
Injury prone.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:57 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
I think there are 7 superstars currently in the NBA - LeBron, Westbrook, Harden, Steph, Durant, Giannis and Leonard.

Here are the 22 to 25 year old guys who could still make the leap - Porzingis, KAT, Anthony Davis, and Embiid.

Here are the under 22 guys who, IMO, have the potential to become superstars, but it will remain to be seen: Dennis Smith, Ball, Ingram, Tatum, Mitchell, Fultz, and Simmons.

Honorable Mentions: Booker, Wiggins, Russell, Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray, Nokic and Fox.

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The 2017 draft was pretty amazing if you think about it.




Let me summarize the OP: At any give time, no more than 33% of the teams in the league have one superstar. Yet we have a strong chance that 5 of our players will become superstars, a feat that has never been achieved in NBA history.

And that doesn't even include Thomas Bryant putting up Embiid-like numbers as the 7th man.

In other news, the OP just bought 7 tickets for tomorrow's lottery, and he believes there is a very good chance 5 of them will win the grand prize.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject:

Superstars: LeBron, Giannis, Westbrook, Durant, AD, Steph, Leonard, Harden....

Embiid real close....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:42 pm    Post subject:

FreakofNature wrote:
Superstars: LeBron, Giannis, Westbrook, Durant, AD, Steph, Leonard, Harden....

Embiid real close....


Embiid if healthy and playing normal minutes/games is. That is a big if going forward.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:45 pm    Post subject:

LakerLogic wrote:
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Superstars: LeBron, Giannis, Westbrook, Durant, AD, Steph, Leonard, Harden....

Embiid real close....


Embiid if healthy and playing normal minutes/games is. That is a big if going forward.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:48 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
I think there are 7 superstars currently in the NBA - LeBron, Westbrook, Harden, Steph, Durant, Giannis and Leonard.

Here are the 22 to 25 year old guys who could still make the leap - Porzingis, KAT, Anthony Davis, and Embiid.

Here are the under 22 guys who, IMO, have the potential to become superstars, but it will remain to be seen: Dennis Smith, Ball, Ingram, Tatum, Mitchell, Fultz, and Simmons.

Honorable Mentions: Booker, Wiggins, Russell, Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray, Nokic and Fox.

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The 2017 draft was pretty amazing if you think about it.


I took a little time to kick the tires on your assessment. I couldn't find anything to disagree with. Oladipo is 25, but I don't think his peak is much higher than what he is doing right now. I think he had his leap, and it didn't get him to the superstar level. Cousins had a great year before his injury, but I wouldn't call him a superstar. John Wall never quite got there. Chris Paul is having a good year, but I wouldn't call him a superstar at this stage of his career.

So that's a pretty solid list in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:05 pm    Post subject:

And he would be right. Btw Magic said the same thing yesterday. I'd even say it's highly unlikely that any of our players turn out to be superstars.
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Day wrote:
Threatt_Level wrote:
governator wrote:
How many 2nd/3rd yr players are better than our 2nd/3rd (or even rookies)?


I don't know about Lonzo, but the following are outdoing Ingram and Kuz so far: Simmons, KAT, Tatum, Mitchell, Porzingis, Booker, Brown, Murray, Turner, Sabonis, Portis, and Anunoby for starters.

Simmons, KAT, Porzi are the only ones you can say definitely are and arguably Tatum but he's pretty one dimensional imo. The rest I would disagree with are outperforming BI.


The way I'd put it: there are a few guys in their second or third year who are clearly it: Towns, Porzingis, and Embiid. These guys are stars who you can build a team around.

Our young guys are part of a group of maybe 18-24 players where it's not exactly clear how they stack up against each other or how they are going to turn out. Some of them will be stars; some will be solid starters; some will probably wash out. But it's anyone's guess at this point who will fall into which category.
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